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Nick W said:
Hi edgelett

Did your hubby also get his 2022 tuned?
I'd be interested in knowing how much of a difference it makes to a 2022 as opposed to older bikes which had different mapping.
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he hasn't, he finds the 2022 throttle a lot smoother than my FTR and hasn't had cold start or major surging issues.
but that's his personal preference.
he's indicated he might get a tune this year though, as he does have a dead spot in the power curve and a tune will sort that.
 
edgelett said:
he hasn't, he finds the 2022 throttle a lot smoother than my FTR and hasn't had cold start or major surging issues.
but that's his personal preference.
he's indicated he might get a tune this year though, as he does have a dead spot in the power curve and a tune will sort that.
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Ditto.... please let me know if he gets it done. I'd love to know how it improves things, particularly if it gets rid of cutting out the cylinders above approx 2500rpm when throttle is closed on over-run, as in going down hill.
 
I think the Lloydz tune should be a mod everyone considers. Sure it's not "perfect" and I'm sure if I could spend a few hours with a dyno and software I could squeeze a little bit more out of it, but that's a whole lot more of an investment in both time and resources. Plus if any of you remember jetting carbs, etc. riding in different elevations and environments means re-jetting, which is what the fuel injection computer does now. The Lloydz tune has been great everywhere I've bee throughout the country. I started in Phoenix, took it to Denver, Florida, California, Oregon, etc. and it's ran great everywhere. That wasn't the case with some of my other bikes. I will add the disclaimer that my bike is a 2019 and the Lloydz tune or Fuel Moto tunes were damn near a necessity, even on stock bikes, when the FTR came out. It used to die when idling, going around corners, in traffic, etc. The surging was EXTREME, and the fact that he was able to smooth that out, stop it from dying while idling and eliminate nearly every other little annoyance in the stock tune means it was worth every penny and the downtime in shipping the ecu back and forth. If you are on the fence, I say pull the trigger. While I absolutely loved the bike to begin with, the tune made it so much easier to love.
 
I'd like to see the AFR chart and compare it to my own map.....just to see how close they are, as Fuel moto was not close enough for my liking
 
Erskimo said:
I'd like to see the AFR chart and compare it to my own map.....just to see how close they are, as Fuel moto was not close enough for my liking
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How many times did FM adjust the tune for you?
 
DeplorableOne said:
I think the Lloydz tune should be a mod everyone considers. Sure it's not "perfect" and I'm sure if I could spend a few hours with a dyno and software I could squeeze a little bit more out of it, but that's a whole lot more of an investment in both time and resources. Plus if any of you remember jetting carbs, etc. riding in different elevations and environments means re-jetting, which is what the fuel injection computer does now. The Lloydz tune has been great everywhere I've bee throughout the country. I started in Phoenix, took it to Denver, Florida, California, Oregon, etc. and it's ran great everywhere. That wasn't the case with some of my other bikes. I will add the disclaimer that my bike is a 2019 and the Lloydz tune or Fuel Moto tunes were damn near a necessity, even on stock bikes, when the FTR came out. It used to die when idling, going around corners, in traffic, etc. The surging was EXTREME, and the fact that he was able to smooth that out, stop it from dying while idling and eliminate nearly every other little annoyance in the stock tune means it was worth every penny and the downtime in shipping the ecu back and forth. If you are on the fence, I say pull the trigger. While I absolutely loved the bike to begin with, the tune made it so much easier to love.
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This is great in the U.S., but in Europe, we have emissions checks as part of periodic technical inspections of vehicles mandated by the governments, usually every four years.

Additionally, there are random roadside spot checks, especially during the riding season, primarily in German-speaking countries like Switzerland and Austria. If your bike is found to be out of tolerance, it gets immobilized, and you must transport it home (or out of the country, if you are touring) without riding it.

I doubt a tuned FTR would pass any of these checks.
 
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irsh said:
How many times did FM adjust the tune for you?
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Once....and yes people will say they could have done a few different tunes. Unfortunately the fuel map needs to start around 13.90 to 13.78 to 13.64 and so on and so on, after 5 odd years of tunes you would expect a company that sells tunes to be able to give its customers something a lot better than something closer to standard (and definitely a lot better than some Muppet in this workshop with a distain for laptops and more than passing preference for jets )......but thats just what I believe.
23 years ago when I purchased my 2002 aprilia rsvr it came with another chip, I don't know how many people would be willing.......but i would have gladly handed over some coin at my 1st service if the sales rep would have said 'would sir like Indian's for track use only map added to his motorcycle' and then signing my life away that i would only use the 'smoother than butter' on track
 
K1000 said:
This is great in the U.S., but in Europe, we have emissions checks as part of periodic technical inspections of vehicles mandated by the governments, usually every four years.

Additionally, there are random roadside spot checks, especially during the riding season, primarily in German-speaking countries like Switzerland and Austria. If your bike is found to be out of tolerance, it gets immobilized, and you must transport it home (or out of the country, if you are touring) without riding it.

I doubt a tuned FTR would pass any of these checks.
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true ...
 
Erskimo said:
Once....and yes people will say they could have done a few different tunes. Unfortunately the fuel map needs to start around 13.90 to 13.78 to 13.64 and so on and so on, after 5 odd years of tunes you would expect a company that sells tunes to be able to give its customers something a lot better than something closer to standard (and definitely a lot better than some Muppet in this workshop with a distain for laptops and more than passing preference for jets )......but thats just what I believe.
23 years ago when I purchased my 2002 aprilia rsvr it came with another chip, I don't know how many people would be willing.......but i would have gladly handed over some coin at my 1st service if the sales rep would have said 'would sir like Indian's for track use only map added to his motorcycle' and then signing my life away that i would only use the 'smoother than butter' on track
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These bikes seem to vary quite a bit even with the stock tune. Some think their bike runs fine while others feel it's almost unrideable.
My first tune from FM was close but still had the low-end hesitation. The 2nd tune was very smooth. Now that I went with the Toce and a 3rd tune I will be logging a couple rides and sending FM the data to tweak the 4th.
 
K1000 said:
This is great in the U.S., but in Europe, we have emissions checks as part of periodic technical inspections of vehicles mandated by the governments, usually every four years.

Additionally, there are random roadside spot checks, especially during the riding season, primarily in German-speaking countries like Switzerland and Austria. If your bike is found to be out of tolerance, it gets immobilized, and you must transport it home (or out of the country, if you are touring) without riding it.

I doubt a tuned FTR would pass any of these checks.
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Lloydz tunes are epa compliant. They have lots of tuning centers in the EU.
 
13.64 AFT seems pretty rich for me, being my stock Cali spec ZX14 spits out 14.2 AFR with the PAIR turned off. Especially with a job request at a dealer checking/testing AFR numbers after a tune/mods/ECU swap on the bikes, etc.

Lean is mean, baby.
 
Bott said:
13.64 AFT seems pretty rich for me, being my stock Cali spec ZX14 spits out 14.2 AFR with the PAIR turned off. Especially with a job request at a dealer checking/testing AFR numbers after a tune/mods/ECU swap on the bikes, etc.

Lean is mean, baby.
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Well Bott she likes fuel....but thats not that much different from some others (as rough numbers a ZX12r likes around 13.4 to 13.1)....I suppose they need what they need
 
Well, I'm going to try a loophole with a Dobeck tuning tool. He's the guy who built dynojet and sold the company, said the way to go was his pot adjusting type tool for tuning.

Had that on one of my 14's and loved the accel pot. Could light the rear tire with a handful of throttle at low rpms. AFR would go from 14a to 11a and rip. Could send the pot adjustment to 10a and fall on its face.

Have spare injectors for the two blank wires. Called or sent an email asking if both wires could be tied together, but never received an answer. Called dynojet and asked the same question about their 5 series and was told it can't be tied in for a twin cylinder. so out comes the glue for a mount someplace and remote wire off the injector body for ground.

See if I can use the piggybacks I have now for the twin cylinder. Easier trick is to try the pot adjusting tool first. This way I have a stock ECU just in case of CARB comes looking for me LOL.
 
Interesting...... I do like these types of things, different ways to skin a cat.
We use to think of needles then Yoshimura came along with the MJN
 
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